I'm loving this - a real grassroots swell of support for the NHS. The support from Sarah and Gordon is particularly poignant, knowing what we know of their personal family experience of the NHS. For those of you who don't use Twitter, check it out - just go onto www.twitter.com and search against #welovethenhs. Someone should make a book out of this, or put a twitter feed on the Department of Health website.
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And no mention of DC's experience and support?!? Come on!?!
Well as far as I am aware he's not on twitter and hasn't said anything in support of this in the last couple of days - indeed, he hasn't slapped down Daniel Hannan in the way he undoubtedly should have, or condemned his right-wing allies in the Republican party. When he and other Tory MPs join the #welovethenhs campaign then I'll give them credit where credit's due.
Speaking of which - good to see Nick Clegg lending his support today.
There is no way I would show support for a medical service (I already pay for with taxes) that charges people for parking at it's facilities. In most of the world such a practice would itself be considered sick.
David Cameron's response is here:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/6023293/Daniel-Hannan-rebuked-by-Conservative-leadership-for-attacking-NHS.html
I'm not sure why you think he should have 'slapped down' Daniel Hannan?
Daniel's entitled to his opinion the same as anyone else despite how wrong others may find it.
Funny how internal debate within a party is often seen as a sign of weakness by Labour rather than constructive.
Funny how internal debate within a party is often seen as a sign of weakness by Labour rather than constructive.
Except, of course, when it's happened within their own party - too many recent examples to list!
No - we WANT a Conservative debate. We want Cameron to say Hannan is wrong, and them to have it out, see where the party stands. Cameron is too weak to take him on; he knows how much support Hannan has. That's the issue.
Kerry, Cameron has said:
"I support the NHS 100% and the Conservative Party supports the NHS 100 per cent."
That seems pretty comprehensive to me, so as you now know where his party stands are you going to give him credit where it's due?
No, because the second 100% is patently obviously not true. Look at Hannan, look at Tory blogs. And there's a big difference between Labour's wholehearted support for the NHS and the Tory leadership recognising the electoral necessity of being seen to defend it.
I'm sorry Kerry that's not good enough. You said:
Well as far as I am aware he... hasn't said anything in support of this in the last couple of days - indeed, he hasn't slapped down Daniel Hannan in the way he undoubtedly should have, or condemned his right-wing allies in the Republican party.
Well David Cameron has, and you didn’t him give credit where credit’s due as promised.
Your next point:
Look at Hannan…
Er yes but he's not a Tory MP but a MEP and has been criticised publically by Cameron.
...look at Tory blogs…
So? There's lots of things on Labour blogs that isn't Labour party policy, take various posts on Tom Harris’ blog, LabourList etc
No, because the second 100% is patently obviously not true. And there's a big difference between Labour's wholehearted support for the NHS and the Tory leadership recognising the electoral necessity of being seen to defend it.
And so again? Considering Cameron’s experience with the NHS I think it’s rather unfair to suggest it’s due to solely electoral necessity.
And let’s not forget that Labour has had also a big difference between the Labour leadership, especially under Blair, and the Labour grassroots. Labour recognised the electoral necessity of abolishing Clause 4 and being 'New Labour' etc.
Basically Kerry, you can't bring yourself to be gracious about Cameron at all, that's the underlining factor, not the Tory’s NHS policy.
Look at the timeline - I didn't see Cameron speak out re Hannan till this morning, and I think he emailed round people late-ish yesterday. Is Hannan or isn't he part of the Tory party? He was top of the Tory list at the June elections, and had already been saying these things about the NHS before that.
I am entirely genuine in my belief that the Tory party is not 100% behind the NHS - and in my suspicion that people such as Cameron would not be sending their kids to state schools and using the NHS if they didn't regard it as electorally expedient to do so. You will note I am not saying Cameron is anti-NHS, and I accept his genuineness in praising his experience as a service user. But that does not mean the NHS would be safe in a future Tory government's hands.
What do you want me to say - well done David Cameron for backing the NHS? Well done for saying you'll match our commitment on overseas aid? Or on schools? You may be taken in by him - I'm not.
Cameron- "The party of the NHS". Forgive me, I didn't go to Eton, but I thought it was the Labour Party that formed the NHS? And, isn't it the Labour Party that 61 years later is committed to improving it, cutting waiting times and making sure health care continues to be available to everyone who needs it?
As for Hannan, his conduct demonstrates contempt for NHS staff dedicated to providing a national health service and for its millions of users who rely on it on a daily basis.
as someone on Twitter, I forget who, said ,if The Tories are the Party of the NHS, Labour are the Party of fox-hunting.
and in my suspicion that people such as Cameron would not be sending their kids to state schools and using the NHS if they didn't regard it as electorally expedient to do so.
What, and half the Champagne Socialists on the Labour benches aren't exactly the same?
Come on, Kerry.
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