tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7647685282789008730.post2397269039194877713..comments2024-03-02T02:56:21.007+00:00Comments on ......SHOT BY BOTH SIDES: It's so funny, how we don't talk anymoreKerryhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02377996092374137641noreply@blogger.comBlogger32125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7647685282789008730.post-75667634713988685192009-12-28T19:36:07.961+00:002009-12-28T19:36:07.961+00:00Kerry, most probably you think I'm a Tory stor...Kerry, most probably you think I'm a Tory stormtrooper. I actually equally despise Labour, Lib Dems and Tories with equal measure. One of the reasons why I despise the political class is their unwillingess to engage with the voters and the labelling of anybody who disagrees with them as a disguised member of the opposition political party. There aren't many members of political parties left, love. You need to wake up and realise that most of the electorate disagree with you most of the time. Your job is to persuade us that you're right and we're wrong. If you can't be bothered do another job.James Deyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04790394608366747561noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7647685282789008730.post-89942259945457601402009-12-26T08:42:29.041+00:002009-12-26T08:42:29.041+00:00Tom I couldn't care less about the idea of &qu...Tom I couldn't care less about the idea of "selling out", there was nothing unsold out about the whole thing from the start. Let's not be under any illussions now, The Clash were signed to CBS when London Calling was released. Now you might think that because the lyrics of that album were all about urban political rage the point you have to remember is, to quote one of your favourites no doubt, that the whole is always greater than the sum of its parts. Politics was merely a tiny blip within a wider cultural shift around individualism, fashion and rampant market fundamentalism.dizzyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04250325010662356883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7647685282789008730.post-63520070223747473132009-12-22T23:37:26.850+00:002009-12-22T23:37:26.850+00:00Kerry,
In deleting Roger Thornhill, you didn'...Kerry,<br /><br />In deleting Roger Thornhill, you didn't avoid some sage who was pointing out your "logical errors, spin, untruths, pomposity" etc. <br /><br />You instead deleted one of the most weird obsessive bloggertarians around. You'll never miss an ounce of wisdom by blocking him - FFS, look at the title and the image he uses on his blog:<br /><br />http://neuearbeitmachtfrei.blogspot.com/<br /><br />I've often wondered if there is a more unpleasant misanthropic take on politics that Rogers and I've not really come up with one yet.<br /><br />That's bloggertarians for ya...Paul E.https://www.blogger.com/profile/15234456385928668896noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7647685282789008730.post-35309819043599979652009-12-19T19:12:27.319+00:002009-12-19T19:12:27.319+00:00"The Clash, like the Pistols, was pure unadul..."The Clash, like the Pistols, was pure unadulterated commercial capitalism at its very best. Bernie Rhodes, and Malcolm McClaren were doing Simon Cowell long before Cowell was even thinking of doing it himself."<br /><br />Oh dear, the old 'sellout' conundrum. Dizzy, are you one of these annoying Casualties fans or something?<br /><br />Even Marx himself praised the network that capitalism provides for leftist propaganda. It's actually a large part of why he thought the left was destined to win (not sure about that bit quite yet though). Proles have to learn to print newspapers and run websites. They have to learn to distribute records and market them, etc...Tomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07801341846218646357noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7647685282789008730.post-47529622766061902842009-12-19T19:06:22.285+00:002009-12-19T19:06:22.285+00:00"then I still find it somewhat anomalous that..."then I still find it somewhat anomalous that you like Stiff Little Fingers."<br /><br />Why do other MPs have such rubbish taste in music? Kerry, please get re-elected. Ta.Tomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07801341846218646357noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7647685282789008730.post-69303773267684233612009-12-15T08:50:20.852+00:002009-12-15T08:50:20.852+00:00Kerry, when you talk about "The Clash" a...Kerry, when you talk about "The Clash" and "what they stood for" what I think you actually mean is Joe Strummer and not The Clash as a package or punk as a movement. You're also making the classic mistake of thinking it was all about politics because of Joe's lyrics. The Clash, like the Pistols, was pure unadulterated commercial capitalism at its very best. Bernie Rhodes, and Malcolm McClaren were doing Simon Cowell long before Cowell was even thinking of doing it himself.<br /><br />Throw into the mix the fashion and art of Sebastian Conran, Alex Michon, Krystyna Kolowska and Vivienne Westwood, and what you actually have is not some homogenous left wing radical movement but in fact a much wider radical individualist and libertarian reaction to the managed decline of the Keynesian consensus. Whilst you say lots of people don't pay attention to the lyrics, it is far more true, as your rose-tinted misplaced view of punk shows, that lots of people don't pay attention to the whole package of a band abnd cultural movement.<br /><br />The rampant individualism of the 1980s has its roots in the radical reaction to the decline of Britain in the 1970s. The punk movement was the forerunner of the Thatcherite attitudes of the 1980s. The Clash's lyrics may have been left wing, but the clothes and style of the band thanks to Michon, Kolowska and Rhodes was the complete antithesis of radical collectivist extreme Left. Hilariously many of those Clash fans of that angle never realised it.<br /><br />As Johnny said in Frisco, ever feel like you've been cheated?dizzyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04250325010662356883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7647685282789008730.post-7325917116912066852009-12-15T04:30:06.720+00:002009-12-15T04:30:06.720+00:00Kerry : "I'm fed up with the Tories sendi...Kerry : "I'm fed up with the Tories sending unelected and unaccountable troops out of the trenches."<br /><br />Whereas Gordon Brown, Lady Scotland, "Lord" Mandelson, Lord Myners, etc etc etc are unelected troops whom you are NOT fed up with ?<br /><br />Impartiality is obviously your strong point. (Something I would not accuse Iain Dale of - I have seen him responding in very fair ways to many political opponents.)<br /><br />Alan DouglasAlan Douglashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16071898364060640779noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7647685282789008730.post-1867426720195121202009-12-14T23:14:19.610+00:002009-12-14T23:14:19.610+00:00OK, I think we've done this one to death now. ...OK, I think we've done this one to death now. But in response to FX - perhaps because I started work at 9am today and I'm still in Parliament now, with no imminent prospect of being allowed home?Kerryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02377996092374137641noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7647685282789008730.post-43326465089620695902009-12-14T22:21:37.927+00:002009-12-14T22:21:37.927+00:00Kerry,
I thought you were Labours Twitter Tsar? *...Kerry,<br /><br />I thought you were Labours Twitter Tsar? *shocked face*<br /><br />It's all very silly TBH and does nothing for wider politics. I find it ironic though that I have been blocked by 3 people on Twitter - you, ellie and my local Labour MP. Now if I was a tory plant or being an offensive so and so I could understand why. My crime though was not accepting spin as a reply to a genuine question. <br /><br />Before you ask - floating voter who has voted for Labour since 1997.Simonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06536596399135318623noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7647685282789008730.post-36046268875094482002009-12-14T22:19:35.182+00:002009-12-14T22:19:35.182+00:00You're an MP, right? So how the hell do you ge...You're an MP, right? So how the hell do you get the time to write all this, read the comments, reply to them and remember what it's all about and come back for more? The phrase "better things to do" comes to mind. Or am I just a deluded fool who bleives in better politics and, dare I say it, better politicians...?<br /><br />http://www.fxbites.blogspot.com/Maverick Wayshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03332863613116516006noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7647685282789008730.post-61453881498317803912009-12-14T21:54:11.696+00:002009-12-14T21:54:11.696+00:00Yes, ofcourse I remember. I still have the records...Yes, ofcourse I remember. I still have the records. When I started following you, I apologised and in a different message I asked you about sending letters to MPs whilst their on recess. I love it how you are bringing up private DM's. Just last week you warmed me to stay out the conversation between you and Nadine Dorries because "you wee very close to suing that woman". <br /><br />I don't know why you always being up the guys I work with. I'll tell you this, all the Tories I've met whilst working in City Hall are incredibly nice. Especially, James Cleverly & Boris Johnson who you speak to or about quite a lot. <br /><br />You blocked me after I asked you about the speculation about a March election, it was a routine 'throwing your toys out the pram' incident. <br /><br />And yes, I'm always asking you questions that are not agreeing with everything you say. I thought you would be no stranger to debate?Einy Shahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04338118115297504799noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7647685282789008730.post-8850544146810486922009-12-14T21:47:23.119+00:002009-12-14T21:47:23.119+00:00@Kerry "Apart from that I've blocked a fe...@Kerry "Apart from that I've blocked a few libertarians, the BNP and a few people who were being plain nasty. "<br /><br />Your statement might be taken to mean that Libertarians were being nasty. It is at best disingenuous, including an odd lumping of Libertarians with their politically direct opposite - the BNP.<br /><br />Well you blocked me, a Libertarian, and I was not being nasty, unless you count "nasty" as pointing out logical errors, spin, untruths, pomposity ("we took ACTION!" yeh, right) and other things in your tweets.<br /><br />Whatever, you come out of this looking bad. For shame, Kerry, for shame.Roger Thornhillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03591327286533118901noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7647685282789008730.post-65388415147615453792009-12-14T21:08:43.656+00:002009-12-14T21:08:43.656+00:00That's the most sensible comment so far! Thoug...That's the most sensible comment so far! Though of course, as a politician you're damned if you do, and damned if you don't.Kerryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02377996092374137641noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7647685282789008730.post-24251311134273130752009-12-14T20:47:56.783+00:002009-12-14T20:47:56.783+00:00As a punter watching this enlightening political d...As a punter watching this enlightening political debate from the sidelines, I would just like to say 'as you were'. Keep your eyes on the game. Perhaps turn the computers off for a couple of days and give it a rest!<br /><br />The problem with twitter and the rest of it is that people's normal social inhibitions are drastically reduced and everyone starts behaving like a tantrum-engrossed toddler. It's claustrophobic and not good for obsessive personalities; sometimes you have to press block and walk away for a good old bit of old fashioned not being on a social forum type of thing.<br /><br />Quite entertaining though - thanks!Leroyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03793091620930812095noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7647685282789008730.post-37108609025553768052009-12-14T20:28:23.549+00:002009-12-14T20:28:23.549+00:00So Einy, you don't remember the little private...So Einy, you don't remember the little private conversation we had when you first joined Twitter when you apologised for being so rude to me, and I said not to worry, but to stick to robust political debate rather than personal insults in future, and you thanked me for my advice? I've actually been very tolerant and patient with you, (and far nicer to you than many of your Tory colleagues!) but you've been relentless in sending tweet after tweet in my direction, all with petty little jibes and sneers. I gave you plenty of chances but, sorry, frankly you're now a distraction and an annoyance I don't need.Kerryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02377996092374137641noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7647685282789008730.post-91112739264109749672009-12-14T20:16:50.065+00:002009-12-14T20:16:50.065+00:00I don't know why you find a little debate as &...I don't know why you find a little debate as "rude". I disagree with you, I disagree with a lot of what the Left say, does not mean I am being nasty. <br /><br />Surely when you signed up to Twitter, you knew it was not going to be a highway to be re-elected. If that is how you want it, then why don't you protect your tweets and only allow loonies like Ellie Gellard follow you?<br /><br />You accuse Iain Dale of provoking you for publicity? He is one of the most influential bloggers around, the editor of a top-selling political magazine and his popularity is growing on Twitter, Facebook etc. I think this is a ploy from yourself, to boost your creditability and get easy recognition, may be appear in the Standard and what not.<br /><br />Fail.Einy Shahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04338118115297504799noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7647685282789008730.post-29706222260664114002009-12-14T20:03:46.958+00:002009-12-14T20:03:46.958+00:00I was interested in why you liked SLF. They're...I was interested in why you liked SLF. They're a very political band, and obviously nationalists. Ditto re Boris Johnson professing to like the Clash. I find that totally bizarre, given all that the Clash stood for. But then again, lots of people don't pay much attention to the lyrics, though to my mind that was the best thing about the Clash and SLF.Kerryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02377996092374137641noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7647685282789008730.post-87834144022759774072009-12-14T14:10:08.506+00:002009-12-14T14:10:08.506+00:00...forgive me if I'm making assumptions about ...<i>...forgive me if I'm making assumptions about a Unionist background, but if you are, then I still find it somewhat anomalous that you like Stiff Little Fingers.</i><br /><br />Er... what has someone's music taste got to do with anything?TheBoilingFroghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00791961503315586243noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7647685282789008730.post-73668042751267398762009-12-14T13:43:42.138+00:002009-12-14T13:43:42.138+00:00Kerry, you said "For non-Twitter people that ...Kerry, you said "For non-Twitter people that means he can't see my tweets" - err that's not correct. He can see your profile page if it is public just fine, he won;t be able to view the tweets as individual pages, unless he logs out in which he will. Blocking someone on Twitter does not stop them reading what you are saying.dizzyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04250325010662356883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7647685282789008730.post-22843223963985198132009-12-14T13:23:08.483+00:002009-12-14T13:23:08.483+00:00So the only thing you were interested in was wheth...So the only thing you were interested in was whether I was a unionist?<br /><br />Joking aside though, do you genuinely believe a unionist can't like SLF?Shane Greerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09409039790255382402noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7647685282789008730.post-42969573067865230232009-12-14T13:06:21.155+00:002009-12-14T13:06:21.155+00:00Fine Shane, you've had your say and in the pro...Fine Shane, you've had your say and in the process answered the only thing I was ever interested in. Case closed.Kerryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02377996092374137641noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7647685282789008730.post-29195846159410016432009-12-14T12:01:28.821+00:002009-12-14T12:01:28.821+00:00Kerry, first of all, thanks for publishing my comm...Kerry, first of all, thanks for publishing my comment. I must admit I wasn't expecting you to. <br /><br />However, as you will remember, I wasn't throwing a 'don't you know who I am' tantrum. As I pointed out at the time, I didn't expect that you would know who I am. What annoyed me was that you chose to make an assumption (rather than make the effort to find out whether I was from Northern Ireland). <br /><br />And as for 'manufactured outrage', there was nothing manufactured about it (just ask my wife who was with me when I first read your Tweet). I was genuinely offended that you had suggested I knew nothing about the place I grew up. There was no intent, and there remains no intent, to write any kind of 'forced to apologise' piece. All I was asking for, and all I continue to ask for is a personal apology. Party politics simply don't come into it (there was no Labour vs Tory issue at play). <br /><br />As for my background. Again you make an assumption; on this occassion that I must by virtue of my birth come from one of two sides in Northern Ireland. For the record, my mother is on balance a nationalist, my father remains indifferent, I was brought up in a loyalist area and I went to an integrated school. As for my own view, I am indeed a unionist. But I fail to see how that should prevent me from enjoying SLF. Just take 'Wasted Life' for example, can you honestly say that's a song that a unionist can't enjoy and indeed agree with? For sure there may be some of their lyrics that I disagree with, but does that preclude me from enjoying their music?Shane Greerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09409039790255382402noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7647685282789008730.post-9653421990994883492009-12-14T11:40:04.995+00:002009-12-14T11:40:04.995+00:00On Twitter? I have no idea who you are, what's...On Twitter? I have no idea who you are, what's your Twitter name?Kerryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02377996092374137641noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7647685282789008730.post-17515991780362996822009-12-14T10:57:51.716+00:002009-12-14T10:57:51.716+00:00You blocked me and I wasn't at all offensive, ...You blocked me and I wasn't at all offensive, you obviously just didn't agree with my views. On the other hand I follow activists of all political parties and converse with them wheather I agree with them or not.Phil Northhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04813608484593168491noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7647685282789008730.post-26255814826019148152009-12-14T10:48:12.118+00:002009-12-14T10:48:12.118+00:00Shane, it started with me not realising you were f...Shane, it started with me not realising you were from Northern Ireland, which provoked you into a 'don't you know who I am' tantrum, and me refusing to play along with your clearly manufactured outrage at this supposed 'smear'. It's a clear Tory tactic, so that you can then run a 'forced to apologise' type piece. Anyway, my initial comment stands. You couldn't bring yourself to say which side of the political divide in Northern Ireland you originate from, and forgive me if I'm making assumptions about a Unionist background, but if you are, then I still find it somewhat anomalous that you like Stiff Little Fingers. Which is what the whole silly row started with.Kerryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02377996092374137641noreply@blogger.com